Excited: Got Vista Firewall Outgoing Working Vista Security Discuss Excited: Got Vista Firewall Outgoing Working in the Windows Vista forums; Your expalnation was a tad too brief for me. But, take your time, and then please clarify....

[Znod]

Your expalnation was a tad too brief for me. But, take your time, and then please clarify.

[Snuffy]

I got tired of trying to write a rule, to stop something on the outgoing part of the Firewall.
Decided to see if it could be done faster, easier, and be better.
it was the Comodo test that made me look. test 3 of Comodo was using
CPIL3.dll - so find CPIL3.dll - Right click -> properties-> security ->
SYSTEM -> click DENY -> apply OK to back out.... then run the test. It fails, and any other program you can do the same way.. either change the .exe to ex-, or deny the master .DLL access... it is way too simple.. also faster than writting some rule, that might stop something else you want to work..

[Znod]

I see. Thanks Snuffy. But, I think that what both of us are doing is a waste of time. In other words, what we are dong works with programs we know are on our computers. But, it is the ones we don't know about that matter. I think that the most effective thing I have done is to hide IE. Check the page I linked out; look how many outgoing baddies might rely on access to IE. I started playing with trying to block the leaktests given on the page and said to myself "this is a total waste of time." There is no way we, or a firewall, can deal effectively with all of these threats."

The only way, IMO a firewall can do us any good on outgoing is if it notifies us when some program is trying to "call out" and gives us the option of blocking it or not. And, then, of course, there still is the possibility of the firewall missing some calls out.

I give up on using the Vista firewall with advanced security in dealing with outbound. I am back to waiting, I think, on Zone Alarm (free) and hoping for the best. The Vista firewall cannot even stop Leaktest, which I have learned is a feeble leaktest, unless we aim a rule directly at it--which is a waste of time given my current thinking. Let me know what you think about all of what I have said. My mind is always open to opening to better thoughts.

[Snuffy]

I agree, it really does take a lot of time..
There really should be a GOOD Firewall that will do both of what we (everybody) needs. I really did like SYGATE (works great with XP) then Symantec bought it.. I have been testing (Trend Micro PC-cillin Internet Security Suite 2007).. If I remove all my "DENY" by system, and all exceptions and set it for DEFAULT.. It allows test2 of Comodo to pass.. (waste of money) and I like AVAST AV better than PC-cillin AV... PC-AV allowed some downloads of items that AVAST will not allow...(FREE out performed bought). Waste of Money and lots of time...so tomorrow I will UNINSTALL Trend Micro Internet Security Suite 2007 and go back to Vista FW and AVAST AV...
to tired to remove and reinstall all tonite... and NO I will not try and block all the LEAKS on this page: http://www.matousec.com/projects/win...-test-software

[Znod]

Yep, I am avast!, Ad-Aware SE Plus, and Vista firewall (at least it is darn good on incoming especially when one's network is set to public--when no router firewall is present and one is away from home).

We learned a lot in our processes. I don't think the learning time was wasted. We know know that we would be wasting our in trying to defeat all but the easiest to defeat outgoing enemies. We just have to make sure they don't get in in the first place. I will be trying Zone Alarm (free) when it becomes available.

[rogleale]

I have seen no mention of Vista Firewall Control on this site yet. Has nobody tried it?
I have been running it from the start and it does all one could want for a fire wall - signals any program or process trying to call out, and gives the options:-
Enable all
Allow incoming
Allow outgoing
Disable all

Works for me, and it's free from Here although it says 'Buy' it is still free.

Roger

[Znod]

Thanks Roger; I had not heard of it? I'll look into it. Have you tried it on any of the tests we used above?

[rogleale]

I've only tried it controlling the Vista firewall. Tested the Vista FW with Shields Up and got a perfect stealth report. It was quite busy the first couple of days reporting things like Adobe Reader and Java update trying to get out. Since then - silence.

Roger

[Snuffy]

Thanks Roger, I have now heard of it twice... so think I'll give it a TEST and see. Thanks for the post.

[Snuffy]

Finally removed Trend Micro Security.. had too. it would not let me download the Vista Firewall Controler, then I found that it was stopping several web sites (Forums, newsgroups) Oh well another one BITES the DUST...